Israel - 1948

The Proud "Birth Chart"

ISRAEL May 14, 1948 Saturn Return 2006

The key moment will be in August-September 2005, when Saturn moves over the territorial Leo mid heaven and the four Leo planets of Israel. In 2007 Saturn will square the Taurus sun of Israel, which could mean some harsh times ahead economically speaking.

All these planets in Leo in the 10th house show a proud and territorial nation, well organized and ready to fight, as it has done in the past, but they also signify a community that is struggling for its own suvival, as demonstrated by the position of PLuto in Sagittarius now, starting to oppose the birth Uranus - an explosive combination, to be sure...

The two 8th house Gemini positions, Mercury and Uranus, show an inscrutable but brilliant nation's mind at work behind the scenes, with a potential of duplicity and hidden allies. Mercury-Pluto makes a very inspiring aspect actually for secret communications and 'war by deception' according to its agency's motto, and so does the Mars-Uranus pair, fast and surprising action ahead at a moment's notice is always possible with that combination.

But the idea of killing the spiritual leader of Palestine will by then be seen as not very smart. Already on August 11th I feel things could heat up to a stand-off situation with a very volatile polit cocktail. 20 Virgo - panarabic Mars point - triggering Pluto in Sag and the birth Uranus of Israel, things definitely have the potential for war actions. This moment is only very pronounced around November 2008, when the USA elects a new President. Jupiter in the chart is retrograde and somewhat introverted spiritually, and yet it wants to enlarge the ancestral (2nd house) lands.

In 2007, transit PLuto will reach the point where Jupiter was at when Israel was formed. At that moment we will know the truth about the question: Promised Land or Vortex of Hatred? Pluto transit hitting natal Jupiter results in a complete re-orientation of faith, and a restructuring of the economy. What Israel needs most is water resources. Personally I wish Israel happiness and Peace, because that is the only sane option for its survival. However, chances for peace to settle over this chart are slim until 2007 - unless wiser men and women take charge very quickly. Perhaps it will take a catharsis type series of events - beginning this year - to build something more peaceful on the sands of Sinai. And after 2008? Well, who knows, maybe by then, Israel as such will have morphed into something else...

This is a defensive Scorpio rising nation with a vocation or calling, due to Jupiter in Sagittarius, and it will make its views known, as it operates from a religious/fanatic (Sag Jupiter) right or wrong base of argumentation. The 10th house super command control position of Mars, Saturn AND Pluto placements at birth in Leo also indicate the belligerent potential of using the many WMDs Israel has indeed developed. A test run of these missiles could be happening soon. It may not yield what was expected, so better hold your fire...

Jupiter approaches Israel's rising degree at the end of October 2005, and then we will hear of Israel's position much more. Jupiter tends there to assert the presentation of Israel's case. But as I say, Saturn at the midheaven wants to see also law and order in the lands.

My ideal view for this country had been a sort of dream mission - Jupiter in Sagittarius on the Galactic Center - to go to the mountains on a sacred land and set up a place for people to go to get away from the hectic world outside and get in touch with inner reality. A place to see the world the way it should be seen in which the illusion will begin to give way for the simple truth in spirit.

But when one looks at Uranus in this chart, in Gemini, opposing Jupiter, one sees the potential extremism, and now with Uranus in transit through Pisces for many years, it is evident that around December 2007 things will come unglued in the Pluto-Jupiter transit conjunction which happens exactly in the natal Jupiter-Uranus axis, if the moderate and sane people in this land don't get the upper hand soon. There are many Israelies who wish simply a normal peaceful existence.

I will elaborate more later, when I see it clearer, once Saturn is on Israel's moon. I wish Israel makes peace and stops all animosity and hostility. It is still a faint possibility that this might happen. Past 2008 when Saturn in Virgo and Uranus in Pisces cross the natal axis of Jupiter-Uranus and form the grand cross, Israel will be caught in volatile moments.

Chiron is now about to enter the 4th house, home, the roots, and over the next years Chiron must bring some healing to the lands, but then look at Saturn transiting at that time over the midheaven, bringing structures.

Closer to the time, the end of 2005 Grand Cross does catch many birth position of the chart below, and it is fair to say that tensions due to or around the leadership of Sharon will mount. Saturn for many years in the 10th house of Israel will add duties to the leadership. The government has to come up with new plans for a safer future for all in the area.

It is not the best of charts for the foundation of a state, and I wonder what the Kabbalists were thinking in spring of 1948 when they went ahead with this enterprise...

Maybe this is why India waited until 1950 to catch the Aquarian realm.

Mecca 622 AD

Panarabic Mars
You might ask why Mecca in 622 AD. That is when Mohammed the prophet showed up in Mecca and made his truth known to what was then the world, a region of knowing and of science. This region is now today again reactivated, and whoever will arrive soon in Mecca and revive the knowing of 622 will have an asset that will prove beneficial to the rest of the world. The asset is cosmological and intangible in nature yet perennial in teaching - as it is about peace or - Islam...

You see Mars of Mecca 622 AD - the panarabic point of Mars - is almost same point as Neptune of USA 1776. Does the USA imagine a real or an invented enemey? Except Jupiter at 8 Pisces, a spiritual point no doubt, and superbely outstanding as the singleton of the whole chart, opposite an Uranus-Neptune conjunction in Virgo - and Pluto at 22 Aries, ALL positions line up between 25 Cancer and 20 Virgo, within less than 60 degrees, with a huge preponderance in Leo, and Uranus, Neptune and famous Mars in Virgo. This is the base - (the base = AL QAEDA) of the issue. One calls this a bucket chart - a bit lopsided, with heavy focus to the right of the chart, see pic below.

This is a very dynamic, extreme, yet functional, and provocative chart. And it is hugely activated now and until the end of 2007. The key point of triggers was actually during the eclipses, May 4th and 5th, 2004 - when Jupiter and Uranus sit in swapped places. This is the belief system revolution syndrome if ever there was one, now it is activated as never before. Whoever holds Mecca holds the future for that region. There will be one more trigger, when Uranus opposes the panarabic Mars point.

Mars is in the 21st degree of Virgo. The chart has a long reach through space and time. The teaching has obviously been in place for over 1400 years and it is about to be resurrected as the planets Jupiter now and later Saturn in 4 years will move over the cluster. Jupiter in Pisces, just as the Fatwa of Al Qaeda in 1998, shows a belief system issue - rudely reawakened in 2005 when Uranus will move over 8 Pisces three times. Pluto in Aries is of a different bent, urging a new system to be implemented. Mars in Virgo is exacting, but not well aspected by Pluto, and egged on by Jupiter. This is a time in which the Caliphates were propagated.

No one would have thought that some 1,400 years later we would deal with a chart made of many territorial Leo aspects, the North Node among them. And yet, there it is, Mecca 622 AD July, in Cancer, ready to be rescucitated and revivified - the Panarabic point of congregation. Many people will soon rally around this point of their faith.

I was told by friends who looked at my work that Mecca and Medina would be "safe places". Personally I like to stay outside conflict zones, but maybe I shall go pay a visit to the places... The odd thing is that the Mahdi's personal chart and the Mecca 622 chart have a lot in common. Welcome to the 21st Century's Caliphate. Again, read Dick Clarke's 'Against All Enemies' and apply it the other way around to see the hidden truth. Is Islam a branch of RCC? Maybe. I am no Islamist, I just read charts, and this is a state of mind chart more so than an actual birth chart...

Pluto now makes a 120 degree benign angle to Pluto at inception, and it makes a challenging aspect to Mars, and so it is clear that the countries aligned with Mecca in 622 AD today are those that will win the day. The USA chart looks extremely challenged by this Caliphate's birth and transit chart. As I had always thought, the USA chased down the wrong enemies and in the process of doing so opened the can of worms to create many new enemies, probably just one too many once the house of Saud falls and Mecca reverts back to its rightful descendants...

Again the advice is to transform Mecca into a center of futurist orientated and peaceful integration. Anything that proves to be divise will not work and prove counter-productive. Hoping that those who need to see these lines understand it, the key to this chart would be to be a teacher, more so than a leader, and the territories are vast enough to let everyone get on with eachother. Altruism is key to this chart and so are the recognition of advanced new and ancient sciences. Mecca 622AD was a time of reaching out beyond the known, as truth is never the known but always new, just as we will have to do now. To reach out very far across the abyss of understanding is the challenge of Mecca in 622 and of now ...

What Is A Time Lord ???

Time Lords

I did predict that we will at one time discover a new cosmology, and with it we will finally figure out the meaning of TIME.

Technically speaking this is not a prediction but a trend or a statement, because it implies we know nothing about time and cosmology. I mean it is already there, known, albeit not yet accepted.

I still wear watches, a TeslaWatch now, but only while Saturn moves direct - 8 months out of a year... and I was a watch fanatic as kid, collecting intricate watch movements until I realized how they actually (not figuratively, but actually) mirror the planets and their movements, and yet I knew time was a joke. Why?

Consider (con sidera with stars) what I write to be written by an alien - for aliens. Consider for a moment in time that we are all aliens, or at least that we are just beings, human beings, among alien beings. You think we humans are not aliens to the aliens? And yet, I know their astrology is superior to ours, I merely get a glimpse at it at times...

Prophets -- aka "business-planners" -- are successful if they fail.

That means if what they predict comes through, then they have failed, because it means they were not listened to. So when what they predict - a notion before judgments - does not come into reality, then maybe they are successful. Many new leaders, older and young people and truth seekers, will come forward with their findings soon, in so many domains, ranging from ET's to cosmology, science, craft, art, philosophy, to medicine, DNA discoveries, archaeology and ancient sites discoveries, to space exploration and what is really on Mars, to a new economy, and down to politics.

There will be now soon the age of disclosures, when prophets must come clean and when insiders will want to create good Karma - knowing it is about 'TIME' to do so. It all makes me smile...

At times, while I write these pieces for my Argonaut-AlDebaran and for RMN, comparing the destinies collectively over the motion of planets we call 'Time' for so many years, for so many millions of people, I think to myself: 'Why can others not see all this? Why would no one want to change the outcome?'

I feel like I am looking into a pond of crystal clear waters, into time and stars, like a living crystal ball called Cosmos, and while I supervise the editing of my alien book - Passage To Peace - I feel like I am an alien astrologer. I don't even belong here, and I certainly do not know why i know what i know, and so i go see what other fellow astrologers do, and I find myself going back 'in time' to see how the old guys did it, and then, more so than ever, do I feel we have so very little in common. Why can people not realize we are all ET's?

Well, I have no answer yet, but I do know what is coming to us soon, and it is manageable... At times I wonder if I am an astrologer or whether I am not simply an alien space traveler. Time does not exist as The Vortex Theory says, and as I simply know. I came from a lineage of what we might call 'Time Lords', those are the beings that shift motion around.

I will carry on this series of horoscopes about the earth's nations, and their misguided leaders, and our little celebrities, as soon as I find some more good objects to study.

I feel there are new leaders to look at - those we have not yet heard of... the Few. I am interested in what is across time, and I feel that to say we are all aliens or extratrrestrials would be closer to the truth than much of what we read and hear these days.

OK. just some ideas, while comparing notes, checking things out, among fellow time lords. Here is another good one below, Krishnamurti as seen through the prism of his horoscope, in the "Ending of Time".

Ending Of Time

The World Teacher
- K R I S H N A M U R T I -
by Michael St.Clair

'K' was born with the moon in late Sagittarius on the galactic center in the 11th house, a networker and eternal optimistic traveler. He travelled the world except behind the iron curtain, and he spoke to and inspired millions of human beings while the world was at war.

Click the link to see his bio: AstroDataBank: J Krishnamurti. One can see on this chart Aquarius rising, and the chart ruler - Uranus - right on the midheaven or close to it in Scorpio, and so there would be a man who would bring a revolutionary thought into this world, and that inspiration would quietly carry on to forge ahead its way, unseen, and a legacy is by now - after his death - left, of a teaching that would be unusual, and yet enduring. What he suggested was that we will figure it all out for ourselves, by changing our mindset, and we should definitely not try to organize Truth, nor build any organizations or followings.

With Saturn also in Scorpio, in the 9th (Sagittarian) house of higher teachings and philosophy, in good aspects to a Cancer Jupiter we find a well anchored body of work that is plugged into the stairway of heaven. We see from this chart how he would have been very interested if not intrigued by the transformative (Scorpio) notions of TIME (Saturn), while exploring and teaching them - 9th house! By 2006/7 the world will understand what he meant to teach, when transit Jupiter will once again be at the end of Scorpio.

The teacher of the world, J. Krishnamurti said that:

Time provides no solution

"All religions have maintained that time is necessary, the psychological time we are talking about. Heaven is very far away, and one can only come to it through the gradual process of evolution, through suppression, through growth, or through identification with an object, with something superior. Our question is whether it is possible to be free of fear immediately. Otherwise fear breeds disorder; psychological time invariably does breed extraordinary disorder within one.

I am questioning the whole idea of evolution, not of the physical being, but of thought which has identified itself with a particular form of existence in time. The brain has obviously evolved to come to this present stage, and it may evolve still further, expand still more. But as a human being, I have lived for forty or fifty years in a world made up of all kinds of theories, conflicts, and concepts; in a society in which greed, envy, and competition have bred wars. I am a part of all that.

To a man who is in sorrow, there is no significance in looking to time for a solution, in evolving slowly for the next two million years as a human being. Constituted as we are, is it possible to be free from fear and from psychological time? Physical time must exist; you can’t get away from that. The question is whether psychological time can bring not only order within the individual but also social order. We are part of society; we are not separate. Where there is order in a human being, there will inevitably be social order outwardly. A timeless state

When we are talking about time, we do not mean chronological time, time by the watch. That time exists, must exist. If you want to catch a bus, if you want to get to a train or meet an appointment tomorrow, you must have chronological time. But is there a tomorrow, psychologically, which is the time of the mind? Is there psychologically tomorrow, actually? Or is the tomorrow created by thought because thought sees the impossibility of change, directly, immediately, and invents this process of gradualness?

I see for myself, as a human being, that it is terribly important to bring about a radical revolution in my way of life, thinking, feeling, and in my actions, and I say to myself, “I’ll take time over it; I’ll be different tomorrow, or in a month’s time.” That is the time we are talking about: the psychological structure of time, of tomorrow, or the future, and in that time we live. Time is the past, the present, and the future, not by the watch. I was, yesterday; yesterday operates through today and creates the future. That’s a fairly simple thing. I had an experience a year ago that left an imprint on my mind, and the present I translate according to that experience, knowledge, tradition, conditioning, and I create the tomorrow. I’m caught in this circle. This is what we call living; this is what we call time.

Thought, which is you, with all its memories, conditioning, ideas, hopes, despair, the utter loneliness of existence—all that is this time...And to understand a timeless state, when time has come to a stop, one must inquire whether the mind can be free totally of all experience, which is of time.

Krishnamurti.org

India - Humanitarian & High Tech Chart

India has an older chart beginning in January 1877 in Capricorn with ambition and deep roots, and then there is a medium transition type chart in Leo, 1947, same day as Pakistan, see my Pakistan analysis, when both nations were formed by splitting from the UK crown. India then proceeded to move from a 1947 Leo nation in January 1950 to become this opposite and avantgarde Aquarian realm, and it is this chart I like to work with, the Republic of India, hightech, humanitarian, prosperous and visionary, albeit not without problems and violence.

The chart is Aries rising, assertive and action orientated, and it sports a highly empowering as well as visionary stellium of three planets in Aquarius, in an optimistic-charming and superbly beneficial Sun, Venus, Jupiter conjunction alignment of the three happy planets in the 11th - networking and association orientated - house of the chart, and in Aquarius, and furthermore in sustained trine to a just, fair and wise Neptune and Mars alignment in Libra, highly advanced; which is the view of the new and modern India - computerized, humanitarian, benevolent - Aquarian, ok, keen to put forward a positive face, with ideals of tolerance and global standards.

India's Saturn sits on the panarabic point of Mars, interestingly enough, dampening the belligerent Muslim factions. Needless to say India is a nuclear power if ever it came to that point, but it wields this power with benevolence, as it is the ancestral territory of the gurus, babas, and even of the teacher Jiddu Krishnamurti who however always said it makes no difference where you were born.

Aquarius-India, the water bearer guru, is also a rather technological society, custom built for the computer software and internet revolution and for doing the actual programming work for the rest of the world, no wonder India is the prime outsourcing place for all high tech corporations. Bangalore is now what Silicon Valley used to be. India can be and in certain aspects is a very forward moving and poised intellectual nation, steeped in ancient sanskrit teachings applied for this newer age. They have some of the foremost mathematician-scientist spiritualists there; it was my pleasure to be taught by some of them and to interact with a few of the leading young minds of Calcutta, Delhi, and Bangalore.

With Pluto in the 5th house and in Leo, opposing Jupiter-Venus, there is a poise for making its stand known if need be, and there is a certain will power to be seen as a nation of importance, a desire to be respected as one of the super powers. With a billion human beings I know India IS THE POWERHOUSE, and now comes the question as to how to put it to good use for the rest of the 6 billion beans on earth...

Pluto in Leo opposite Venus and Jupiter in Aquarius will mean that as time passes the nation will lead the way of humanity, and also this indicates creative talent in the arts and entertainment industry though - as always with Pluto - with hints of power and corruption. The caste system will have to be reorganized to be sure, but that is only my wish. Why should there be an elite and a poor mass in a nation meant to show the chain of beings?

There is a brilliant economy moving ahead in India revolutionizing all areas of life. The Taurus moon is portent of a territorial soul, not always wanting to give in to new trends, also a materíal soul with children growing up still in castes. This nation does need serious reforms.

India was formed on advice - I am certain of Vedic astrologers who knew why - when Saturn in Virgo was retrograde, thus less committed, which signifies a nation for whom service, work, and health are serious matters, and yet they do necessitate major effort to maintain an efficient medical service. The Mars Neptune conjunction in the 7th house can suggest both an aggressive, though not always realistic, stance towards immediate neighbours, as well as an unclear idea as to who is friend of foe, making India not always a serious partner in strategic alliances, a thing Pakistan and Israel will learn the hard way soon, with a lack of commitment towards real co-operation.

India will then also experience in 2005 a redesigned map of allies as Jupiter comes into this alliance and enemy sector of its chart. Confrontations do not function in India’s favor, since Neptune will always erode effective action at the last moment. I would advise the Indian leadership to drop its nuclear ambition and to move on with Artificial Intelligence instead and become much more advanced in the search for renewable energies, and thereby make itself the leader of the world.

With the North Node in Aries close to the Aries rising on India's republic chart, there is also a Karma issue for a country that is struggling in a way to find its true identity, assuming others are in charge, in need of allies, and yet desiring to make an innovative and trailblazing start and a firmer stand for its own independent integrity. Mars of India sits on the South Node of Indian Karma in Libra, its fall sign, indicative of a nation that came from peace and must always seek peace, yet it must deal with its allies - and its subliminal or open enemies.

This then is a nation that will become a warrior nation if things would turn bad worldwide, because it would have no other option than to fend for itself. Neptune in Aquarius has now enlightened India for a few years, and it will have to move on with its inherent wise spirituality; yet, the nation will now face a restructuring in the coming 4-5 years when Uranus in Pisces will oppose the frugal Saturn position. There will be a combined techno-spiritual revolution coming from India, from which the whole world might actually learn. India must build firm alliances of peace with all its neighbours in order to secure a large realm of protection and sustenance to feed its masses. There will be both droughts and floods engulfing India at one stage, and the nation must ensure its survival well ahead of time.

You notice in India's birth chart that both Venus in Aquarius and Mercury in Capricorn were retrograde, which makes for uncertain alliances and a techno or impersonal outlook in matters of humanity. In other words, the group will always be more important than the individual, which has its advantages and drawbacks. It also means India will always tend to look back when it must charge forward, and this will be proven often in the near future.

The Libra planets at birth will be boosted in 2005 by Jupiter's passage, and lead to even better economy prospects in the region which is spearheaded by India. Peace treaties with Pakistan are now well aspected, despite the dark agendas trying to cause inner turmoil by small outer conflicts.

India is exploding in terms of population and will soon rival China, but India does not have the living space China has, so it needs to adapt. It is also the home to many world leaders, such as the Dalai Lama, and represents a concentration of highly advanced minds. Retrograde Mercury in Capricorn suggests that India might restructure its country and its communication once more. It shows well the thought process which is still very much based on rigid societal structure and ancient values.

Venus - as explained in group techno Aquarius - was also retrograde when the Republic was formed, again symbolic of alliances that always need readjustments, and also hinting at a love for network technologies. It also means India is not committed per se, it sails on its own. India could well become the sanctuary for many advanced thinkers, as it is a teacher - or Guru - to the world.

China - Astrology & Analysis

This is the chart most Western astrologers work with today, based on October 1st, 1949, the Libra chart. Based on 3pm, we find the planets Mercury and Neptune conjunct in Libra close to the sun in the 8th house, cusp ruled by Mercury or Virgo, hence mercurial maybe, and rather secretive in the 8th house, also very intuitive and psychic, or superbly perceptive and evasive as the case may be. A person born at that time would be considered blessed with ESP or extra sensory perception. It makes this a very balanced, spiritually advanced start into a new time. It was the time Mao selected to give his nation a new identity. Moon on ascendant both trine sun, beautiful to be sure, and artistic too...

Chart ruler Uranus (Aquarius rising) is positioned in Cancer and in square to the setting sun; this means nurturing and growth undergo shock therapy type treatments for the masses that need to be fed. When the earth changes begin to happen, this chart will be 60 years old. Now you must understand that Chinese astrology works with 12 signs and five elements over 60 years, so come October 1st, 2009, this is the big one, or the Chinese first real birth day, as they measure time in yugas of ginormous proportions. Pluto will slowly begin to square the rising Sun of the yellow empire... while opposing the Cancer Uranus of China, and so the Taoist dragon will rise at that time... and in 2012 the new China will be on the map everywhere, but maybe in form of a new identity as this chart is very impersonal yet most transformative, as well as resiliant.

Rather practical and frugal, precise, meticulous, dependable or well disciplined and extremely hard working is the Saturn in Virgo position, and also very controlling or powerful in the 8th house and well aligned to a very intense Venus in Scorpio, this points to good trade all over the world. In a way extreme is the potentially fiery if not brutal and ballistic Mars Pluto conjunction in a territorial and attention-seeking Leo alignment opposite to an otherwise technologically very advanced and impersonal Aquarius Moon on an Aquarius or friendly rising sign.

Status orientated but tranquil 12th house Jupiter in Capricorn again in good aspect to 2nd benefic Venus (expanded trade) is now visited by Chiron, a position that is being triggered by transitting Saturn in Cancer, in opposition soon, waking the sleeping dragon that rumbles into aggressive activity against neighbours, or against internal dissidents. The Mars-Pluto conjunction in Leo in square to the Scorpio Venus is not funny. In fact it is intense as hell, but not visible to the outsider. If I was Colin Powell I would not further annoy these people unnecessarily...

A bit of comparative recent history and applied mundane astrology is due: Transit Uranus in Scorpio was squaring the Aquarius moon and rising of China in 1979 when China invaded Vietnam; transit Pluto in Scorpio in June 1989 was in direct square to China's empirial Leo-Mars when the Tienanmen Square shootings took place. We all remember the one man standing still in front of the tank army... Pluto was retrograde then, and so the tank did not open fire...

In 1989, the triple conjunction of Saturn, Uranus and Neptune in Capricorn (that is where Pluto will be in 2012) was also squaring the Sun and other Libra planets in the China chart. The first hostilities against Taiwan's attemtps to gain independence occurred when Uranus crossed the 3 degree Aquarian Moon. Tensions then remained very high through 1999 as Uranus opposed Mars, rightfully so I have to add, over the US bombing of the Chinese Belgrade embassy, and over Taiwan - unrightfully so, which to this day continues to be threatened, and with internal repression of the popular Falun Gong spiritual movement, see the ESP position of Neptune-Mercury... which will receive a very popular boost this and next year when Jupiter passes the mid Libra regions. I would not be surprised to see Falun Dafa be introduced world wide as the answer to all the spiritual mayhem... and we know by now that Neptune rules a lot of things, from Opium to chemicals to oil and to spirituality...

Neptune now opposes the Mars Pluto conjunction of China, and so the alliances which this giant realm will make can be opaque and global to say the least, and very far reaching, but nonetheless unclear to most people around the world. It can in some way perhaps also be undermining to the national morale and an identity crisis might ensue, and it will prove to unsettle the efforts to present a humanitarian PR image if these executions go on. Let us not forget that China admits to killing (executing) thousands of people a year, and some say that China is a Draco ruled alien colony, while others say humanity was in ancient times Chinese.... go figure! Neptune opposes Pluto from now until mid of 2006, suggesting a subtle erosion or dilution and eventual transformation of internal China, going rural now (transit Saturn in Cancer sextile to natal workaholic Saturn in Virgo) and it could also be heightening new tensions in its external relations.

The China Neptune and the transit Neptune now (in good alignments of 120 degrees I must say) are seriously undermining trust and mutual cooperation while at the same time being helpful for China to throw star dust over the whole planet. Who knows, but maybe all these black winds and epidemics are all germinated in Chinese laboratories? One thing is certain, China has high level spies all over the world, and via its military arm Hutchison Whampoa trading houses blossom and it carries on its millennia old tradition of a powerful merchant sea faring warrior nation, only now more discreetly, but equally successfully.

This tends to coincide with pressures on many transforming relationships - Russia among them - as inexorable outside and international pressure meets immoveable resistance from the smiling faces. Neptune in Aquarius now for many years in opposition to nuclear Pluto in China's chart will pose valid questions about who is actually in control of this giant China shop. Meanwhile the giant of one third of humanity expands quietly, unseen, as Neptune moves silently through Aquarius. Another indicator of quiet moves is birth Venus in Scorpio in the 9th house of faith and of international travels... remember David Bowie's 'Little China Girl'...

Based on this chart, I would say that Mao had a superbely talented magi as astrologer by his side or he was simply very blessed to have selected that date for the new 'Red' China: This chart is good to go for another few thousand years... as it will morph into position as time goes by; well, but then maybe this is not the real birth time of China... maybe the date was selected to keep Western astrologers and ordinary people guessing about the true intentions of this empire that Nostradamus called the shaven race; on the other hand one can detect great and ever lasting peace and balance in it, as long as everyone in there practices Falun Dafa - Truthfulness, Benevolence and Balance, and neo-Buddhism for the masses...

I kind of like the chart, but I would not want to be on the receiving end of the perennial strategy of the Yellow Empire in the rising sun if I had cemented the wrong alliances...

check it out! http://www.shout.net/~bigred/ChinEcon.htm

Now, as to safe places I would think that central China and the Himalajas should be ok even in a sudden pole shift... which leads me to believe that China will be around past 2012... in case you want to understand China and the bigger picture better, I recommend you watch the grand epic movie by Bertollucci - "The Last Emperor" - and then you will agree that the yin-yang wheel keeps turning; if you prefer books to movies, read 'Seeds Of Fire' by Gordon Thomas, and definitely study Taoism, Lau Tsu and Sun Tzu, or else you are hopelessly left behind by what I call 'High Magic made in China'...

The link shows you the assessment by famed Gordon Thomas. Interesting how his research and my chart analysis come to similar conclusions... don't mess around with China!
http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/item300/item357.html

"In this first-hand account, Gordon Thomas reveals America’s and the West’s betrayal of the children of China, who, for a brief moment in history, brought democracy to their homeland. Thomas takes the reader into the inner sanctums of the Oval Office, the CIA headquarters at Langley, and the private compounds of the leaders of China as they debated and fought over the great revolt. And finally, it shows in dramatic detail how the supreme leader, Deng Xiaoping, gave orders for the execution of the students.

The inside story about China that no one can afford to ignore. Using his unsurpassed contacts in Israel, Washington, London and Europe, Gordon Thomas, internationally acclaimed best-selling author and investigative reporter for over a quarter-century, reveals information about China's intentions to use the current crisis to launch itself as a new Super-Power and become America's new major enemy.

On September 11, 2001, the same day the World Trade Center and Pentagon were hit by terrorists, a Chinese Peoples Liberation Army transport aircraft from Beijing landed in Kabul with the most important delegation the ruling Taliban had ever received. They had come to sign the contract with Afghanistan that Osama bin-Laden had asked for, that would provide the Taliban with missile-tracking, state of the art communications, and air defense systems in exchange for the Taliban's promise to end the attacks by Muslim extremists in China's north-western regions. Hours later, CIA Director George Tenet received a coded "red alert" message Mossad's Tel Aviv headquarters that presented what he called a "worst case scenario" - that China would use a ruthless surrogate, bin-Laden, to attack the United States.

By 2015 China will have deployed tens to several tens of missiles with nuclear warheads targeted against the United States, mostly more-survivable land and sea mobile missiles. It will also have hundred of shorter-range ballistic and cruise missiles for use in regional conflicts. Some of these shorter-range missiles will have nuclear warheads; most will be armed with conventional warheads.

That prediction is from a CIA briefing paper to the Bush Administration. It is one of almost 100 pages of never-before published official documents in Seeds of Fire that also include redacted documents concerning the Inslaw "largest global software theft in history," MK ULTRA, and the link between newspaper magnate, Robert Maxwell and Los Alamos."

Now if you want to understand how Venus in Scorpio and Saturn in Virgo work in tandem for a nation that will one day rule all the trading routes of this planet, then click here, it is very eye opening - and not for the faint-hearted; many links at: http://216.198.243.200/passage11/Strategy/China.htm

You see in the chart, at the rising (9 o'clock position) the Aquarius positions: There is Chiron now and next year, bringing maybe societal healing to the little ones and their mothers...